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This video will be a little different.

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I’m not sure if it’s exactly correct to
call this an opinion piece,

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but this is largely a story about my personal energy management techniques,

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the lessons I’ve learned from them,

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and how we might apply them in the near future.

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I’ve also been motivated to make this video
by headlines that paint the technique in a pretty bad light,

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when in fact the horror stories
have everything to do with bad management decisions,

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and nothing to do with the idea itself.

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That idea is load-side energy management.

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It’s gotten some nasty press lately because
the way it’s used today is usually reactive and rarely proactive.

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As the frequency of extreme weather events goes up,

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we’re finding more and more instances of energy demand on the grid outstripping its ability to supply it.

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In those cases, grid operators often have
no choice but to shed load,

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or shut off the power to certain areas to prevent the grid
from being overloaded

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or in particularly extreme cases, collapsing altogether.

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That nearly happened in Texas in the winter storm of 2021.

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But shedding load by disconnecting customers in rolling blackouts

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is a rather blunt instrument.

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It sucks.

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For a long while electric utilities have been flirting
with more precise and less disruptive load-shedding techniques

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called demand response.

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Even before internet-connected smart thermostats
were widespread,

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some utilities including mine offered discounts if you allowed them to remotely disable your air conditioning

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or perhaps clothes dryer using a lockout device
during peak consumption periods.

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That could of course lead to some mild discomfort
and annoyance occasionally,

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but at least you still had power.

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And so did your neighbors.

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See, heating and cooling is by far the biggest
energy consumer of a home or building in general.

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And on hot days demand can suddenly explode when
everyone’s air conditioners start running at the same time,

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so being able to ease the total demand on the grid

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by temporarily shutting off a few thousand air conditioners is a very useful tool for utilities.

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Now I know what some of you are thinking -

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"that sounds terrible and I would never, ever want that!"

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But these days, we have more flexibility than we ever have.

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What if the utility could turn your air conditioner
ON before there was a supply problem?

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Now that smart thermostats are so common,

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utilities have plenty of customers who have installed

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much more sophisticated equipment
than the air conditioner lock-outs of the past.

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And if done correctly, we can tap into a huge
source of energy storage

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that you may have never realized we had.

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We often talk about the need for energy storage
on the grid.

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Whether that’s to increase the viability
of renewable sources of energy like wind and solar power

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or to help meet intermittent peak loads,

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having a reserve of energy on hand is a very good thing.

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In fact the idea of temporary energy storage
isn’t new at all.

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Of course the trendy thing now is to talk
about huge banks of batteries

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that are charged up when there’s lots of energy available,
and discharged when that energy is needed later.

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Electric vehicles are likely to become a big
piece of this strategy as time goes on.

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But we’ve actually been doing this for a
very long time, just more crudely.

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For the most part we’re doing this because
the load on the grid is variable

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and tends to peak in the afternoon.

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You may have heard this before but the trickiest
thing about electrical generation

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is that supply and demand have to be equal all the time.

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Whenever demand goes up supply must increase to meet it.

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And when that’s not possible things start breaking.

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That’s been a challenge for the grid since the beginning,

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and is the reason pumped hydroelectric storage facilities exist 
and have for many decades.

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These facilities consist of two water reservoirs
at different elevations.

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Sometimes they’re natural and other times they’re engineered.

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When supply is greater than demand,

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we use that spare supply to pump water to the higher reservoir.

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That makes a store of gravitational potential energy.

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Then, when demand starts to outpace supply,

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we just let the water fall back down and capture its kinetic energy as it does so

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in turbines which generate electricity, thereby helping to meet the new demand.

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It’s just like charging and discharging
a battery,

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except the battery is made of water and gravity.

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The biggest problem with this technique is
that it is very geography dependent

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and tends to be ecologically destructive

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unless you get a really lucky pair of lakes on a mountainside or something.

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In the case of pumped hydro and other storage,

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we’re taking care of demand fluctuations entirely on the supply side.

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That’s pretty much how it’s always been done,

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and that seems to be the framework that many people are still thinking in.

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There are lots of clever ideas floating around
to make energy storage more viable and scalable,

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from towers stacking concrete blocks,

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to molten-salt and flow batteries,

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to massive spinning flywheels.

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All of these strive to be a place to put excess energy when we have more or perhaps cleaner generation available

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so that it can be used later when we don’t.

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Now of course we don’t have as much storage
on the grid as we’d perhaps like,

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so many utilities offer (or in some cases require
the use of) tiered rate-structures.

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Again, that’s not a new idea.

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Just ask any British person.

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But in my particular case, I’ve volunteered for an hourly rate

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that’s set based on the cost my utility pays for energy in real-time.

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They offer this to encourage shifting demand
away from high-stress periods which cost them more,

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and you could argue they’ve almost
gamified it which, honestly, is kinda fun.

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This is what a typical summer day looks like
on this rate schedule.

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This varies from day to day, and on milder
days it often doesn’t even go above 6 cents per kilowatt-hour.

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You can actually see, too, that on particularly
windy days

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the rate’s pretty cheap all day.

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We’ve got a lot of wind power around here.

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Now, this isn’t the actual rate I end up paying -

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there is a fixed cost of about 4 cents per kilowatt hour so realistically

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this bottoms out at about between 5 and 7 cents, something like that.

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But that’s still a lot cheaper than in the afternoon where the cost can easily be more than double that.

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Anyway, demand is lowest in the middle of the night

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and at least with today’s energy mix that’s when it costs the utility the least to purchase electricity from its suppliers.

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That’s because with this low demand

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cheap and efficient baseload generation is the only supply that’s needed.

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And, so that I can take advantage of these low rates
at night,

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I use a roughly 16 kilowatt-hour battery that I just happen to have lying around.

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I charge it up overnight starting at 10 PM on the dot

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and it’s done charging usually by 3 or 4 in the morning.

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I keep it topped off until around 7:00

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and then I start using it during the day

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and it doesn’t need to be recharged again until the evening.

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Now, the reason I just happen to have that battery lying around

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is because that battery is my house.

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Confused?

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Well, who’s to say a battery needs to store electricity?

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Now, before I explain this,

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let me acknowledge that this is somewhat situational and I get that.

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Not every building will be able to do this,

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but efforts to make this possible for more people

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could go a long way to providing a massive source of energy storage right now.

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This house is about 10 years old,

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is well-insulated, features low-E windows,

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and is shaded by trees in the morning and evening.

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All that means that even on sweltering hot days,

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it takes many hours for the indoor air temperature to rise.

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On a typical summer day, between 6 AM and 10 PM

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the air temperature only goes up by 7 or 8 degrees Fahrenheit,

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or about 4.5 Celsius.

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So, I just don’t cool my home during the day.

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At all.

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I don’t need to, because I charged the battery
that is my house by overcooling it at night.

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Sure that might sound odd, but it’s not
like I’m living uncomfortably.

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Quite the opposite, in fact.

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For how I like to sleep, which is nice and cool,

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this works out perfectly.

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And even with no cooling from 6:30 AM to 10:00 PM,

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it’s rare that it ever gets above 74 degrees in here.

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That’s 23.3 Celsius.

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This is even on sunny days and with heat from
using the stove and oven for cooking.

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If I cool the house off at night,

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I simply don’t need any cooling again until the following evening.

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The worst it has ever gotten in the nearly
two years I’ve been doing this is 76 degrees.

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Here’s what my thermostat schedule looks like.

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And before I go on,

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I want to be clear that I’m not suggesting
 everybody should have this particular strategy.

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I’m just explaining my tactic which is based on pricing.

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However, if you’re in an area that is prone
to rolling blackouts,

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you might consider being similarly strategic with 
when your air conditioner runs during heatwaves.

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Anyway, at 10 PM the set point drops to 70
degrees and the air conditioner comes on.

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On a milder day the air conditioner may be
able to satisfy that within three hours,

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giving it a short break.

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But at 1:00AM (which is technically the next day)

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the set point drops again to 66 degrees or 19 Celsius.

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That may seem excessively cold

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but remember my goal here is to offset 
my entire cooling need of the day.

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And this works!

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I’ve turned this house into a battery, a thermal battery.

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Although since it’s cooler than the outside
it’s a negative battery

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but the concept is the same.

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Because my utility has provided me with an incentive to do so,

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and since my home is designed and sited well enough to make it possible,

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I’ve successfully shifted all of my cooling demand 
exclusively to off-peak hours in the middle of the night.

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And I do mean all.

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At 6:30 in the morning the set point goes
to 70 before going up to 77 (that’s 25 celsius) at 11.

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I’ve done that just in case there’s an unusually
hot evening

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and the temperature rises quickly in the morning,

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but I’ve yet to encounter a day where the AC 
actually comes back on between 6:30 and 11:00.

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The indoor temperature just doesn’t rise
that fast,

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meaning that all my cooling happens between the hours of 10:00 PM and 6:30 AM.

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Here’s what that usage looks like according
to my thermostat over a variety of days.

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On July 6 and 7 
the temperatures were near 90, or 32 Celsius

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and didn’t drop below 70 or 21 Celsius at night,

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yet just over 7 hours of cooling in the middle of the night

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kept the indoor temperature from ever getting above a comfortable 75. (24 C).

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Of course, it’s not like this doesn’t
have any downsides.

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Mornings are pretty chilly in here,

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and when it’s humid enough outside
I wake up to windows that I can’t see out of

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because they’re all fogged up on the outside surface.

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This also means I don’t get any dehumidification
except overnight,

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although I’ve always needed to run a separate dehumidifier in the basement

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because it’s just so forking humid here.

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And although my HVAC system won’t cool during
the day,

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I do have it run a fan schedule so it circulates the air around 
for 15 minutes every hour.

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That, combined with the dehumidifier, keeps
indoor humidity below 60% even on rainy days.

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And because I’m a Midwesterner through and through,

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the dehumidifier is on a timer which will disable it during the worst of the peak hours,

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between 1 PM and 8 PM.

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I mean the pulls 500 watts and that’s not nothing!

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That timer probably saves me $0.40 a day.

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But honestly, it’s not just the cost savings
that motivate me to do this.

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I mean, it’s certainly fantastic that even with
an electric car and plenty of cooling

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my power bills rarely go over $150.

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And that’s also with a conventional electric
water heater and clothes dryer

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(heat pump units coming soon).

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But sentimental me simply enjoys the knowledge
that when the power grid is working its guts out

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to meet the demand of my neighbors, I’m
not making that any worse.

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For most of the day the biggest consumer of
power in this house is the fridge.

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And the dehumidifier...

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But not between one and eight!

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Now I know that one idle air conditioner among
millions isn’t doing anything.

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But that’s why the utility offers this rate plan.

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They hope they can get some of the more adventurous
people to sign up for it,

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shifting demand away from the times it can be hard to meet.

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If you do it like I’m doing it, you're creating energy storage!

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I said my house is a 16 kilowatt-hour battery.

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Here’s how - my 2.5 ton air conditioner
consumes about 2.2 kilowatts when it's running.

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Over 7 and a half hours that’s just shy
of 16 kilowatt hours.

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I used all of that energy in the middle of
the night so that I wouldn’t need it during the day,

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and as far as I’m concerned
that’s the same exact idea as energy storage.

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Pulling energy now when you have it so that you don’t need it later.

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So now let’s tie this back to the idea of
load-side energy management.

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Utilities are increasingly offering schemes
similar to the AC lockouts of the past,

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but utilizing smart thermostats.

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For some sort of discount or other incentive,

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you can grant your utility access to your thermostat remotely so they can shed load when necessary

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without entirely shutting off the power to your neighborhood.

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I mean that alone is good,

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but the trouble is that’s a reactive approach.

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And when you see headlines like this, loudly shouting that the utility raised your thermostat temperature ohmigod,

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well of course that’s gonna make people leery of the idea.

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But here’s the thing.

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We can forecast electrical demand because we can forecast
the weather.

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That also means we can forecast generation output
of renewable sources.

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I mean, this flexible rate structure that I’m on?

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Those prices are determined a day ahead.

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We like to make fun of meteorologists for
getting stuff wrong

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but you gotta admit we’ve got the next day pretty well figured out at this point.

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And rather than simply shedding load when
the grid gets close to capacity,

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a smarter idea is to proactively take on loads before that even happens.

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What these energy management programs should do is recognize when there will be a lack of supply in the afternoon,

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and in the time leading up to that,

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they should remotely *lower* the thermostats of the people who are signed up for them.

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That will store some energy exactly how I’m
doing it now.

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I’m not saying they should set the thermostat
as far down as I do,

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and besides that won’t make cooling happen faster -

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you’re limited to the system’s capacity.

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But lowering it a few degrees in the hours
leading up to a forecasted energy shortfall

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can buy a few hours of time where no cooling
is needed by those customers,

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or at the very least lessen the felt impact of a period with restricted cooling.

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And of course we can apply this tactic to
heating as well,

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assuming your heat source is electric.

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Heat pumps for the win.

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If it’s looking like there’s gonna be
an energy dry spell

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thanks to lack of wind output

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or even something as simple as everyone getting home and starting to cook dinner in the same three hour window

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(that’s a large part of why this time is so expensive),

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well just bump the thermostat up a few degrees
an hour or two beforehand,

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and store that energy in the form of deferred need.

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And now that is literal energy storage - 
in the form of heat energy.

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This could be a lot smarter than how we manage
energy right now.

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Take for example the very idea of
programmable thermostats.

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They’re great at saving energy for the individual

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by altering the setpoints when nobody’s at home or in the office.

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But a huge portion of us all leave home and
return at similar times,

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so utilities have to deal with millions of air conditioners
all starting back up in the same hour.

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Actively tweaking the set points based upon
available energy

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could do an awful lot to ease these challenges of the grid.

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And, in case you haven’t already realized it,
this is a great way to take advantage

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and increase the practicality of wind and solar power.

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One particular issue with solar power is the duck curve.

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This is what we call the challenge of solar
output falling to zero

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right as energy demand starts to peak.

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A large criticism of solar power is this very
problem -

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without storage other plants will need to start up to take on this load,

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many of which are natural gas.

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But what if we simply ran everybody’s AC
when the sun was abundant?

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Assuming the buildings are somewhat modern, 
well-insulated, and have good windows,

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there’s some energy storage right there.

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Cool it now so that when people get home,

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it’s a few degrees colder than what they set it to,

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and they won’t need to run the air conditioner for a few hours.

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And in fact some utilities are already doing
this sort of planning ahead and not simply reacting to

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"oops we’re running out of juice!"

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And good for them.

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And here’s the best thing.

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Because so many of us have already installed
smart thermostats of our own accord,

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this is possible at scale NOW.

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Sure, some people aren’t gonna be thrilled
with the idea for various reasons, but

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they don’t have to participate if they don’t want to.

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And besides, if this is managed well-enough,

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you might not even be able to notice it.

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If my utility offered something like this
I would definitely sign up for it,

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but as it is I’m able to offset the entire day’s
cooling need to off-peak hours

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and I’m very pleased to continue doing that.

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Our local energy mix still favors shifting
demand to the middle of the night,

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and that ends up utilizing a fair bit of nuclear power
so in theory the carbon emissions from my air conditioning are fairly low.

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Which feels nice.

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Now of course, this is not 
“The One Thing That'll Fix the Grid!”

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A heatwave like the pacific northwest just
experienced

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is gonna make everybody’s air conditioners run constantly.

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Well, the people who are fortunate enough
to have one in the first place.

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And we’ll run into the same problems in extreme cold.

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But I think this idea has a lot of potential
and that we should be using it.

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With such granular control over some of the
largest loads present on a power system,

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we can optimize for just about any situation
all without impacting individual comfort beyond a few degrees.

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And frankly if you can’t tolerate your thermostat
being bumped up or down a couple of degrees for the benefit of your neighbors,

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well I don’t think we’d be very good friends.

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It’s worth pointing out that although this
idea may not work in many older homes and buildings

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(for example it certainly would not have worked where I used to live)

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retrofitting these structures with better windows and more insulation

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will do a heckuva lot to reduce our energy needs in the first place

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in addition to making them better candidates for this energy storage idea.

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I’d also like to point out that my parents
are utilizing the same strategy that I am,

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in fact they’ve been doing it for nearly
a decade,

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and their house isn’t nearly as shaded as mine.

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Plus it’s a little older.

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Yet the idea still works for them.

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They’re only limited by the fact that their
home’s air conditioner is a little bit undersized,

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so even starting at 8 PM it sometimes can’t
get the house down to even 68 by the next morning.

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But the time it takes to rise back up is pretty
much the same as in my home,

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even though their house is in direct sunlight for many hours daily.

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Insulation is pretty neat stuff.

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In fact better building design with concepts
like the passive house are also great areas of interest.

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However, that’s a different topic altogether.

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This is about more wisely using what we have now.

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I also want to touch on the fact that if we
decide this idea is worth pursuing,

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we probably should reevaluate how we determine HVAC system capacity.

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An ideally-sized system won’t be able to
drop or raise the temperature quickly.

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In the case of air conditioning this is on purpose

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because short-cycling can reduce the life of components 
and doesn’t provide much dehumidification.

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But these sizing guidelines are all based
on more-or-less constant thermostat set points,

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so 3 hours of continuous cooling may only drop the temperature by 3 or 4 degrees.

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With the advent of multi-stage and variable capacity systems,

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we can have the best of both worlds these days,

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and so if we are going to start using a building’s thermal mass as a source of energy storage at a large scale,

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oversizing HVAC systems might be wise.

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We’re probably going to want to do that
anyway with these deadly heat waves we’re getting

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for some reason.

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We should also discuss, because I’m sure
I’d never hear the end of it if I didn’t,

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ideas such as storage heaters and ice storage air conditioning.

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These are technologies that allow us to store
heating and cooling energy but with a bit more control.

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Ice storage air conditioning involves freezing
a large volume of water into a giant block of ice

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when electricity is cheap and/or available,

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and a series of pipes traveling through this ice block slash water bath reject heat picked up in a building’s air handlers and put it into the ice.

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Over the course of a day it melts providing
active cooling while using very little energy.

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The biggest benefit, of course, is that you
retain most or all of the temperature control

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while using minimal energy.

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Typically these systems are only found in
large commercial buildings, however.

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Then there are storage heaters.

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These have been around for a long time,

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with notable use in Britain during the Economy 7 energy tariff period.

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During overnight hours when electricity is
cheaper,

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electric heating elements heat up something like a stack of bricks in an insulated box.

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Then during the day, the box is opened allowing
the heat from the hot bricks or whatever to escape.

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Stupidly simple yet very effective.

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Though some may say inelegant.

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But anyway, the point is there are a lot of
ways we could be implementing energy storage

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on the grid that don’t actually involve
storing energy on the grid itself.

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The biggest consumers of electrical energy
will always be pretty predictable,

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and although some of the energy technologies we’re likely
to rely on as the decade progresses are intermittent,

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they are pretty predictable, too.

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While I certainly think there’s a lot more
work to be done,

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I hope that this video has made you a little more optimistic about the future.

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There’s more we can do right now than perhaps you ever thought.

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Thanks for watching.

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♫ proactively smooth jazz ♫

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(weird mouth noises)

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This is going pretty well.

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This is what happens when you actually rehearse by reading the script beforehand.

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And if done correctly, we can tap into a huge amoun...

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shoot!

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That probably wasn't audible, but whatever.

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My.. my toe, it clicked.

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...doing this for a very long time.

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Just more crudely.

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Crood-i-lee.

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  Crood-i-lee.

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Did I say it like that?

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Well I'm not sure so I'm gonna record it again!

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I charge it up overnight starting at about 10:00P - no!

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It's not "about!"

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Stop it! Stop it!

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...sentimental me simply enjoys the knowledge that when the power grid is working.

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Its guts out.

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PBBBTTPT

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So, neat idea, huh?

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Oh I bet the comments will be interesting.

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"I'D NEVER LET SOMEONE WHO ISN'T ME MAKE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO MY INDIVIDUAL COMFORT

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THAT'S AN AFFRONT TO MY GOD-GIVEN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO LIVE UNCOOPERATIVELY AS IF SOCIETY ISN'T REAL AND INTERCONNECTED"

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Stuff like that.

